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As expected, last weekend's list of Ars editors' picks for their least favorite overrated games led to some spirited debate in the comments. There were plenty of people around to lend both support and derision for each and every pick, though Florence Ion's pick for Super Meat Boy seemed to draw the most universal ire (and Lee Hutchinson's Halo pick was by far the most controversial, with dozens of commenters on each side).

Just finished Super Meat Boy (2008), and I can't shake the feeling that it's a blatant ripoff of Jumper (2004). There's a nod to Jumper in SMB (Ogmo is a playable character), and I understand that genres build off of older games to grow. Jun 07, 2017  They never 'abandoned' the Wii. Super Meat Boy was ported to Xbox 360 because it was easier to do so, and it'd be another audience to play the game. The Wii situation was a bit complicated. There was a hard limit on file size for WiiWare titles. As more and more features got added to Super Meat Boy, it exceeded this limit allowed for WiiWare.

Despite all the arguing, there was one thing everyone seemed to agree on: the list was way too short. We left off a lot of way overrated candidates. While we weren't really attempting to be comprehensive, our commenters did their best to remedy that problem, offering their own picks for games that just don't deserve the heaps of praise they receive from the critical establishment. Here's a round-up of some of the more popular and/or interesting picks from the epic, 350+ comment thread.

1. And thats what indie games provide and what some AAA games have forgot that pure gameplay like in Risk of Rain, Tower of Guns, Binding of Isaac, super meat boy, Asteria and a lot of other games.
2. Dec 30, 2017  Overrated is a loaded term. It looks good in a headline. The most overrated games of 2017. Forgeforsaken 2017-12-30 01:20:10 UTC #21. (I love Super Meat Boy and VVVVVV) but Cuphead is hard in an unsatisfying and uninteresting way. I get that it’s designed as a hard game, but a good hard game should be satisfying when you.
3. Super Meat Boy Forever is the sequel to Super Meat Boy! This is a new experience that eclipses the original. Don’t stare directly at it unless you still have your eclipse glasses. 7200 individually handcrafted levels combine dynamically to give you a new challenge.
4. Mar 11, 2011 To what I think overrated is: Lot's of buildboards Lot's of commercials Lot's of advertisements All leading you into a sense that the game will be the biggest thing ever. And so many indie companies don't have a budget for this kind of marketing.
5. Oct 20, 2010  Another overrated this game sucks. This game doesn't deserve any attention from you. First, the game is terribly ugly with the blood of meat boy makes graphics very bad taste, In addition, if you like to do 100 000 times the same level this game is for you, because to succeed in this game you must know almost all levels by heart.

Final Fantasy

The most popular overrated pick among our commenters, by a hair, was the Final Fantasy series, and Final Fantasy VII in particular. Pitmonster led things off by saying the game 'did nothing for me at all, despite all the gaming reviewers raving about it being the best game of all time.' Robot Dinosaur expanded on the thought: 'Not that it's a bad game, but it doesn't deserve the ridiculous hype it's been given ever sense. It's inferior to FF6 in most ways that matter (more interesting characters, more interesting villain, better plot, better subplots, better graphics if you allow that masterful 2D sprites beat shitty 3D stuff.)' Commenter ifgriffi ended up with quite a bit of FFVII buyer's remorse: 'It's one of those games that I expected to love (even traded my N64 for a Playstation so I could play it) but ended up hating and just barely forcing myself to finish so I could say I did. .. I didn't give a shit about any of the characters, and the fact that all your abilities were stored in materia made them pretty much interchangeable anyway. And the unskippable minute-and-a-half long summon spells were just obnoxious.'

The rest of the Final Fantasy series didn't escape our commenters' ire either. Kitkoan called outFinal Fantasy VI (known as Final Fantasy III in the US), specifically for what he sees as a mess of a story. 'It flips through so many characters at a break neck speed that by the end of it I just didn't care what happened to any of them. It felt more like they just gathered a bunch of five page stories and tried to in a desperate move to merge them into one giant story.' Charleski called out the entire Final Fantasy series, but hated VI in particular. 'What a tedious pile of mindless button-clicking shit! I actually persevered fairly far into the game until I got to a point where I realized that killing the next boss required a whole lot of leveling-up by clicking the same buttons over and over again on a countless pile of completely unchallenging trash mobs.'

Mosxs centered his complaints on the more recent Final Fantasy titles, specifically the ones after the original PlayStation. 'Being a big fanboy of Final Fantasy in the 90s, Final Fantasy X was one of the worst games I've ever played. .. Seriously, the story in that game was flat out awful. To the point where I was laughing in disbelief at some scenes and dialog. .. Each FF game since has gotten progressively worse as well.'

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The Call of Duty series in general was a perhaps unsurprisingly popular choice for an overrated series, withmanycommenters just declaring the games as overrated without further comment. PrimalxComwboy put his problems with the series into words, specifically arguing against the games' popular multiplayer modes. 'I fail and/or loath online competitive multiplayer, having encountered too many Trolls that would rather see the world burn, than actually enjoy a game with people. I just thank God that Words with Friends doesn't suffer the same amount of insults and cheating or 'world burning' behavior as COD or any game similar to it.'

A number of commenters didn't see why so many people seemed so enamored with the world of Skyrim, or Elder Scrolls in general. 'It felt profoundly empty, with a feeling that nothing we did would affect the world that much,' dogbiscuit complained. 'I've spent enough hours playing it to know that bugs from the previous Elder Scrolls titles are still there, and the addition of dragons does not 'instant classic make,' Shmak suggested. Snyder thinks the entire Elder Scrolls series doesn't deserve its praise, thanks to 'ridiculous' leveling, bad AI, and even 'abominations' from the face generation engine.

The Assassin's Creed series also drew a lot of ire, from quite afew commenters who said they didn't see the appeal. Swilhelm called the first game in the series 'the only game I've ever started that I gave up on entirely. Everyone seemed to love it, but I found it to be slow paced and the controls were beyond awkward.' Ginsuchikara was particularly mad about Assassin's Creed 3 and its 'forgettable, shallow characters. Crap art direction. Glitches everywhere. Story that seems to have been written by M. Night Shyamalan. Pointlessly, overly difficult AI's.'

Speaking of convoluted games stories, a few commenters took issue with the Metal Gear Solid series. Boticho was particularly offended by the way the fourth game included 'a given action break at over sixty minutes [long]. Some people I know were turned off when they realize they were mostly watching an interactive movie that they could not figure out as they have not played previous games.' Salamanderjuice also pointed out the 'hour-long cut scenes' but also the long install and load times and a tailing mission that stretched out to 30 or 40 minutes. MPK211, meanwhile, pointed toMetal Gear Solid 2 as a game where 'the actual gameplay elements are killing the immersion and taking you out of the game, it should have just been a movie,' and there was altogether too much exposition.

And the rest

Past those, there were quite a few games that were considered overrated by one or two (or maybe three) commenters in our epic thread. Angry Birds is 'supposed to be physics based, but it seems to have way too large a chunk of luck for that to be true,' according to wjousts. Dark Souls doesn't deserve good reviews because it's 'stupidly hard' and/or 'inhumanely difficult.' Half-Life 2got attacked for having puzzles that were 'obnoxious and tedious, essentially the game designers trying to show off their physics engine more than being interesting gameplay.'

Among Ars commenters, you can find hatred for World of Warcraft, Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, BioShock, Uncharted, Minecraft, the original X-Com, Shadow of the Colossus, and more titles that are almost universally praised by critics and gamers alike. It just goes to show you, there's no accounting for taste.

But my favorite comments, by far, were the ones I'll refer to as 'machine gun trolls.' These are the commenters that used the thread to simply list out a good number of ultra-popular titles that don't measure up in their books. Hardrock_ram's list of 10 overrated games included the only mention of Super Mario 64 in the entire thread, as well as an incredible pick for Tetris. Ekotan listed seven big-name games that he said 'bored me to tears about an hour into the game.' Jedisamurai wrote out his own list of 10 overrated titles ranging from Super Mario Galaxy to Everquest.

The very best machine gun troll comment, though, is from commenter orborborb. Not only did he put the hammer down on the entire God of War, Twisted Metal, Elder Scrolls, Prince of Persia (modern), and Assassin's Creed series, but also the entire post-Baldur's Gate II output fromBiowareand 'Red Dead Redemption, Arkham City, Diablo 1&2, Borderlands, Okami, Ratchet and Clank games, Professor Layton games, Fable II, Burnout Paradise, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Mario Kart Wii, Guitar Hero, World of Warcraft, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario games, andKlonoa games.' After reading through a list like that, it's hard to imagine that any game is good enough for such a refined palate.

Feel like we've finally got a comprehensive list? Add even more to the debate below.

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As you can tell by now, I'm addicted to this game. I present you the hardest levels out there.

The Top Ten Hardest Super Mario Maker Levels

1Pit of Panga: U-Break

Do I even have to explain? - TheYoshiOverlord

I feel as if any pit of panga level can be here because you're basically not going to make it past the first obstacle

I survived five seconds! - BrideiMacBella

For all we know, there could be a level in the works called 'A-Break' - but it's anything but a break. - Rocko

2Val's Shellspace

It is the hardest level ever

How is it possible

There are harder levels such as: Val's shellspace double but this is 3rd hardest (eternal space is 2nd)

100 times harder than U- Break

3Pit of Panga: P-Break

It was once the hardest level out there. Now, it's U-Break, where you essentially die to the first Firebar. - TheYoshiOverlord

I don't understand it at all.. - neehawgamer

4Super Meat Bros.

The only one here I've beaten. It's actually not that hard after you beat it once. - Solacress

I beat it first try once it is kinda easy

Its really overrated for how hard it is. - YOSHIA2121

It's based on Super Meat Boy, that sums it up - Martinglez

5Pit of Panga: Grown Man's Garden

Why is this so hard? I'm trying to make a level even harder than this.

6P is For Pain

hard. it is boy of boy and before level this played I

7YATTA Express of Doom

This one I can't beat because I won't dedicate myself to it because its just not fun its torture - YOSHIA2121

This is 1 million times harder than panga's levels

Pain in the ass - YOSHIA2121

8Trick Cover: Renasu Memory Trial

How would you not think this is the hardest it combines all the hard levels into one! You people who vote for U-Break don't know anything about this crazy level!

Never heard of this can someone put up the ID - YOSHIA2121

Combining parts from U-Break, Shellspace, Airspace, and many more hard levels into one. - TheYoshiOverlord

It's even harder than u break and the cape escape what the hell

10Pit of Panga: Pang Pong

This level is hard to describe how to beat it. Though I have beaten it after lots of practice. I have also beaten shells suck but it was way harder in my opinion.

This one is probably pangas second hardest level. everyone knows the hardest - YOSHIA2121

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12Trials of Death

Harder than panga u break in fact so hard it creator has been unable to beat it

This is easily 100 times harder than almost every level ever

It's definitely the hardest

Look this level up. After you do,I don't need to explain it.

13Fail’s Flotilla: Final Flight

Not the hardest level, but the hardest on here. - ToadR0XMK

This level is so hard, it took the creator 480+ hours to create and beat it. - TheYoshiOverlord

14Pit of Panga: The Cape Escape

How could only 0.8 percent of people think this is the hardest? It used to be the second hardest level.

When you say 'second hardest level,' I assume you got that from my 10 hardest levels video. - ToadR0XMK

Dear god, this one is impossible!

15Panga's Revenge: Shell Shock

Not that hard - YOSHIA2121

16Saddest Level, Smallest Violin

Believe it's from SpongeBob. Krabs's guitar was such a random scene.

Where did the creator get this name from?

To hard

I still have nightmares of this level. It’s the only level on the list that I haven’t beaten!

18Pit of Panga: Bomb Voyage 2.0

Bombs are one of my favorite items in super Mario maker. But wait till u see this level!

Do I even need to explain why Panga levels are on here anymore? :P - TheYoshiOverlord

19Pit of Panga: Skyway to Shell

It took over 1 hour for panga to beat it

The hardest Panga Level

20April Fools: It's Amazeing

Impossible to beat. Unless you are Panga or you took it to Editor Mode. - SoaPuffball

I've got up to level 6-5 Omega in Super Meat Boy. I've tried beating it dozens times now, but I fail at the same place. And my fingers hurt.:) How can I safely go down after I get the key in this. Super meat boy omega shortcut.

I took it to editor mode - YOSHIA2121

Is this beatable?

22Pit of Panga: Skyzo

Finally cleared this one, tough but fun level - YOSHIA2121

I can't even beat Skyzo Jr.. - MaxPap

23Super Seigens Magnum Opus

By GoSeigen, it took him over 450 hours to beat it, easily the hardest.

so hard

24Pit of Panga: Ultra Star 2.0

This Level took me forever to beat!

Hardest Panga level?

25SMG4 Course

(In Response to TheYoshiOverlord) This is your List. Why not remove it yourself? Also, what was the Username of the Course's Maker.

I highly doubt this is one of the hardest levels. Get this off the list - TheYoshiOverlord

I made this course based off of my favorite YouTuber, SMG4, so I put in a lot of references to his videos. I made it really hard, especially when it comes to the part with the chain chomp. WHO LET THE CHOMP OUT! WHO! WHO! WHO! WHO! WHO!

WHO LET CHOMP OUT! WHO! WHO! WHO! WHO! WHO!

26Premature Detonation

If you beat this u are not human! Just watch a video of it!

I knew this would be here.

27Pit of Panga: No Mah Yoshi

Honestly this is the hardest Mario Maker Level I have ever played

28Pit of Panga: POW-a-Panga 2.0

Why The heck is this lower than Mecha bowzilla? This is insane

This is so low!

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29Pit of Panga: Yoshi Lives Matter

Raise yoshi lives awareness, Yoshi lives do matter - YOSHIA2121

Yoshi lives matter

31Pit of Panga: Pangamobile

This level’s difficultly is under appreciated! It took me almost three hours to beat it! And I beat Cape Escape in an hour

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It looks way too easy but it is way too hard!

It looks easy, but the clear rate is 0.01%.

33Pit of Panga: Bomb Voyage

I do not have to explain.

34Super Mario Vs Mecha Bowzilla

This took me ages!

What why is this here this level was easy

37Companion Spring 2: Bounce Back

Much harder than Super Meat Bros, but still not Panga difficulty.

That's because it's made by ROSS!

Here's a level from Ross, with a.03% completion! - TheYoshiOverlord

U break has 00.1%

38You Shell Not Pass

I'm terrible at shell jumping.

39Float Like A Feather

This inspired the evil Cape Escape.

40Companion Vine

I managed to beat this in 11 hours but I beat U-Break in 9

A new Ross level.. WITH A CHECKPOINT!

46Skyzo Sr.

Odd how this was not here before.

48Lavender Town Theme

This is the only Music stage that shall be hard.

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